4 chiacchiere con Ilaria Capua (Director One Health Center of Excellence University of Florida)
Mar 27, 2020pangolin, illegal trafficking of pangolins. - I'm not kidding. Ten tons. Do you know how many pangolins have been speculated? - So let's start with the bat, and on this note I have to stop you for a second, because we are billions of people, commenting asking if the story is true, the story of the bat, how do we really know that the virus is not? It doesn't come from the laboratory, from Goldrake, how do we know that the virus comes from a bat? Because there is a genetic code, like a barcode. Viruses have a barcode, and like a barcode, when you put it in the scanner it tells you that this is the same, the same, the same as this, or it tells you that it is Almost the same, but not exactly the same, and then family trees are created, so this virus is a virus that looks like a lot of viruses found in bats in a certain geographic area. - I understand. - Look, it would be nice if we didn't dwell on this specific topic because of conspiracy theories, but maybe we'll talk about it later, sorry for the interruption, but it's clear.
The bat. The bat arrives and they put it in a cage along with the pangolin, and that is an Asian animal and an African anima, they cannot do those things, biologically, you are putting together realities that are separated by oceans, by thousands and thousands of kilometers, and the bat virus entered the pangolin, some Chinese have removed it - I am simplifying obviously, and I apply it below - imagine that a market operator found the pangolin to sell The pangolin pooped on his face, The operator sold the pangolin and the virus came out of the pangolin's poop.
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Or bat poop, or stinky skunk, although it doesn't really matter. However, from one of these animals that was infected inside the live animal market, where very poor people live who have nothing, a group of people inside the market became infected. These people are poor, poor people, that is, those who clean the market, live inside the market, are people who live in inhumane conditions. Those who live in such poor conditions usually don't have access to medical treatment, so what they did after the pangolin sneezed in their faces, they didn't really pay attention to. They cleaned themselves but after a week they start to have a cough and fever, and what do they do?
If you, Marco, were a Chinese man who lives in very extreme and poor conditions and you sneezed at the beginning of December in China, what would you do? Or I will have a diaper, I turn to Chinese medicine, I go to see a family doctor... But only because of a sneeze? - no not because of a sneeze no. I will resist. It will happen. - Sure, it will pass. But then you start seeing everyone sneezing, everyone sick, and you think, "Wait, let's go to the doctor." They look for a doctor and what do you think the doctor would tell them? "Go home, it's just a cold, it's the flu.
I mean, it's mid-December, in China, a group of people with some respiratory symptoms, by the way, did they get the flu vaccine? - Nope "So you have flu." And they send them home again. Then ten, a hundred, a thousand, more and more. The doctor sends them home, the infection gets bigger, the wave of infection draws the attention of Chinese
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authorities? They look for what they know, then they say "flu?" "no, wait", "parainfluenza?", "no", "is it bacterial pneumonia?" It's not an easy thing, I mean, they didn't have the tools to go look for this virus, they had to go explore, perform discovery techniques to understand what happened because this coronavirus was inside the bat up to a month before, so they took a.A short time later, when they realized it was a coronavirus, coronaviruses do not usually cause very serious symptoms, it was believed that it could be contained. We had SARS, we had MERS, the other two emergencies anyway, however, when they realized that they did not spread it, they closed. What happened in the meantime? We are always in our star, however, as the stars can sometimes speak of the past, let's take a quick flashback to 8 thousand years ago, 8 thousand years ago man domesticated cattle and in the process of domesticating cattle, he which means that the man drinks milk. and for the man to get dirty with the blood of the bovine means contact with the bovine, then another of these phenomena occurs.
The rinderpest virus, which is a virus that was also eradicated, is one of the great successes of veterinary public health. The rinderpest virus makes the jump from infected species to humans and do you know what it becomes? Let's see if anyone knows - let's see, let's wait, there is always a 20 second delay between your message - I'll take a break in the meantime - let's see, I don't know, wait some said pangolin measles, others say Measles, the plague, smallpox... who was it? - many said it, Gabriele, Isa - then the rinderpest virus has become the measles virus with homo sapiens who moved step by step in the meadows of hunters of men, like the gatherer that is The virus of the Measles has gone around the world on foot along with homo sapiens 'trucks trucks trucks' walked around everywhere.
Now I give you something else to tell you at dinner tonight. Measles was not so present in the people of South America, the indigenous peoples, when the conquerors arrived, died much more from measles than from the war, the Indians, the locals, the Aztecs also perhaps even the North American Indians, not now No I remember it very well, sure, it wasn't there in South America and that's why measles found all the traffic lights green again because they entered a new continent - and infected everything, okay - so why did I do this reasoning? , because this happened 8 thousand years ago and now let's go back a little more: the 100-year-old Spanish flu the Spanish flu is a very serious flu that occurred around 1920 and at the end of the First World War, a virus with many teeth , very aggressive that has caused between 20 and 40 million deaths and has traveled around the world in two years.
I mean, homo sapiens with measles took 5,000 years, the Spanish flu took two years, and the coronavirus took eight hours. Back in China, we came to understand that in mid-December this virus was already circulating significantly in China, autitis, authority, authorities - you are tired Ilaria I know, I applaud you for your resistance your resilience, 8 hours and the coronavirus is in China The Chinese authorities have tried to contain it, etc., etc. So the flights remained open, so imagine that in China there are the great-grandfathers of the viruses we have now. Great-grandfather had three children in China and sent one south to Japan. a little bit there, he sent one to korea and one to australia.
One line, that's what viruses do, a viral swarm, you understand? It has gone down, a viral swarm has come to Europe and a viral swarm has traveled across the Pacific because the most affected area of the United States is the east coast, I am referring to the west coast, California, where there is a lot of the Chinese movement so in the month Before the confinement, people moved, I don't know how many because we should see the passenger data and I honestly have no idea, however in a month you think there will be at least a thousand infected.
Have the Chinese moved? - We don't know the numbers but there are surely a lot of people wandering around, as always - right? and that's why the virus began to circulate the virus began to circulate in Italy probably at the beginning of January and I think there is also evidence that this virus was confused with a slightly more difficult flu, no, because when I talk to the doctors in the hospitals a lot of people tell me "look, we thought this year was a particularly bad flu, so it's probably been around for a long time, however, let's go back to the star - I'm here, I'm calm in my star - from my position observing the phenomenon, something that must be very clear is that we have altered a system by first invading spaces that were not ours, now everyone is angry with the bat, but sorry, it was we who went to bother the bat, not the bat that came to bother us point number one, point number two, we create a second risk factor which is not only taking out animals and invading spaces but also making this happen within megacities, megacities are explosive. because in megalopolises there is bad hygiene, poverty, inequalities, etc., etc., etc.
Not only have we taken some large syringes and gotten on planes, obviously without knowing it, with a whole series of people on those planes who have these virus syringes, which spread to thousands of people. The virus, poor thing, just wanted to be calm inside the bat, we already sent it inside a pangolin, where it didn't want to go, it pissed on the pangolin, the skunk and the entire market. Not only did he not want to infect people and now he has to infect because he does what he has done and now he has to infect thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people that he was not programmed to, because he would have.
I did it only step by step - ok - this is the story - so you are saying that since you told this excursus, the first thing that comes to mind is that obviously this will not be the first or the last time because or take a step back as humanity and say ok, let's not bother the bats and avoid exaggerating, which is unlikely to happen therefore it means that we will see other events of this type, right? - in fact I just wrote an article that looks for a home that you can call "The next new normal" which is the next new normal because as you say, you can't go back now, there is not only Wuhan, there are many megacities, we need to reverse this trend and establish immediate response mechanisms.
There are some today, we have the technology, I'm in Florida, you're in London and we have people listening to us, today, that is. Look, I tell you what, we are still thinking in the old way because we are still running after it and today, as we have injected speed into this system, look, this is something very complicated and maybe subtle, but this is the real point. breaking point, the true breaking point is the speed that we have injected into the system, a speed that technology brings, is linked to technology, but is not compatible with the system that houses it, biology moves at its own pace. rhythm, not the rhythm of the stock market or airplanes.
Do you understand what I'm saying? Here we also made a mess, because luckily this is a coronavirus and it's not that they are normally so intelligent, these are viruses that I have worked with many years ago, these are viruses that are not particularly resistant, there are much worse viruses, come on. To say that from some points of view they are a little silly, a little fragile - so in our bad luck we were also lucky to have caught a not so bad virus - they have petals, if the petal falls like that, what happens? It was called, Beauty and the Beast, and it only takes one petal to fall and it's screwed - okay, I'm sorry that you say that today we have technology that allows us to be more predictive and play ahead compared to the pandemics that will come next or the next similar events or, in fact, if we continue like this, we will inevitably find ourselves from time to time having to face the new disaster with more or less tremendous viruses;
In my opinion, we have to realize that we are part of the problem just because we created this situation and we have to realize that this problem will not go away however this problem is crazy, because an inanimate microscopic being is actually just a pimple in the gear, this grain that is not even hard But is soft, in the sense that it is not a diamond grain, has entered the gear and has blown up the entire gear. This makes us go back, in my opinion, as if we had shovels at our feet and makes us say again "look, we are part of nature", therefore, if a virus hits us, the virus takes us, we are not immune - of course I think this is a very important signal, so I think it will create a different consciousness and maybe there will be consciousness movements to, let's say, limit some of the damage that they have generated.
I'll start somewhere else to answer your question, certainly no one did. prepared, neither we nor the governments because there was no organization at the European level, there is no organization at the national level, we were really walking in the dark this cannot be, it cannot be, it may not be that the cases are recorded in a way in one place and in another way in another place. Therefore we need a preparedness plan for the pandemic, as God commands, we have to do it and we have to respect it and each of us has to do it to be able to buy our masks in times of peace, of course, and then it should be something shared worldwide and it is not that each country does what it wants, not because that is the problem that is seen every day, France acts in one way, England in another, the United States at first says that it is nothing, we put up a wall, each One has gone a little on one's own and it is difficult to manage a situation that is global.
I will jump to an economic topic. I was talking today with someone named Forchielli and rightly the reflection was on the moment when Italy leaves this story, because this problem is solved, the problem is that perhaps the United States is further behind and then American tourism. I still can't travel because it's delayed and then it's another country's turn. So everything is on a chessboard and then the impact is enormous but from all points of view it is notonly economic, and therefore, Ilaria, what is done in this situation? a good global pandemic preparedness strategy okay, I imagine there is one, let's say it should be updated because it didn't work very well, okay, the criteria, the WHO that declared and did not declare, declared and did not declare.
Because? Because the criteria are obsolete, those things were written 10 years ago, 15 years ago and now air traffic is another matter, so there comes a collective awareness that effort is needed in that direction to make pre-pandemic plans, this is where this should be but here you are talking about entrepreneurs, I tell you that first of all we should develop a mechanism for ourselves as a community, the Italians or the European space agency, I am talking about this type of efforts, we should prepare laboratories that already exist. and that compete in some things, there are five laboratories in the world, 10 that develop different vaccine production lines, from the vaccine the recombinant vaccine can be produced, the vaccine expressed in this way, the subunit vaccine, the live attenuated vaccine, so It would be necessary in peacetime to already have virtuous people working on vaccines so that when the problem arises they do not work with each other but in synergy - sorry for interrupting Ilaria, is it because at this time for the development of this vaccine? , which from what I understand is not that it will arrive tomorrow but that it will take at least a year if they find it, but each one works on their own, each country each pharmaceutical company tries to develop it and says "she is it, I am the first, I have it " or is there teamwork somewhere? - no, there are pharmaceutical companies more or less subsidized by governments that work on their own and this seems really stupid to me without considering the diagnoses, we have not touched on the issue of numbers in this epidemic, the numbers are a disaster, you know? because?
Because the Chinese have developed a diagnostic test, a molecular probe that searches for a genome, without testing this probe in a certain number of positive samples and in a certain number of negative samples, so it was validated in the field but has not been validated to standards, this is a big difference between a validated test and an invalidated test. Well, this is the test made in China, and the other tests that are being done now are either validated tests or the same test everywhere. - I have not expressed myself well, these tests derive from a recipe 455 00:45:10,190 -- 00:45:17,010 published in China then reviewed by the WHO, they give you a recipe but it is not that no one has tried it. to see if these tests work They give you a recipe and tell you "this is the recipe these are the parameters" but those who work in the laboratory know that the laboratory conditions are decisive, the tests must be done in the laboratory before using them and we didn't have time to do it, so I'm very very skeptical of the data and then there are all the asymptomatic people, we talk and go between groups of patients without having any validated tool in that category to test.
We talked before about antibodies, now we are starting to see tests but they have not been validated and that is an emergency so it is an emergency without having anything ready so I will give an example, I have a dinner with 10 businessmen and I did not go shopping, I have to think In some cases, they will eat plain rice; Of course, this means that, in fact, all the data that we see continuously can have a notable delta variation depending on how I am going to prepare the ingredients of that famous test recipe, but we take them for granted - now I will give you an example - do you know how to cook? ? - Today I interviewed Davide Oldani, a star chef, and I said that I am very bad, however, I can make spaghetti with tomato sauce - okay, you are very bad, the thing is irrelevant because in case of emergency, even if you are really bad , you have to do it "here is the recipe for the salmon soufflè, the one that should grow and become like a cloud, do it" "what do you mean by doing it" "you have to do it" okay, then you take it, you do it but then I You say "but sorry, but what yeast do I have to put in?
Bertolini yeast? Or should I put the eggs in that other one? What size do they have to be? The flour? So these are the laboratory conditions, the laboratory tests they must be made their own in their own conditions and then they are COSTANZA _______________________________________________________________________________ for example yeast a is not the same as yeast b so also enzyme A is not the same as enzyme A that someone else sells then You need to take a moment to understand this. . The data, as far as I'm concerned, should be taken completely indicative, it may show trends, but hey, maybe there's someone listening who knows and understands about statistics and mathematics.
We're comparing data coming from different samples, I mean, what are we talking about? Certainly. The problem is that citizens take them with certainty. When the New York Times, the Corrierie, the Guardian say that today there are ten thousand cases of infection, then you say "that's the data." For example, maybe the 10,000 cases all come from the same place because there is one structure that is infected. We have no idea what is happening in Italy. We could have the image. How could we have the image? Do we want to have the full picture? You take a representative sample of the population.
Not in infected areas, there is no need to do this in infected areas, we know it is there. We have to understand why in Naples it is not seen in the hospitals, Milan and Lombardy, Milan is the atypical case, that is, the exception because there is something that aggravates the situation there or it is the first in a long series. yes after the fall of milan fall of paris fall of london fall of rome palermo for now we can only hope for the best for what is to come reminds me of a story during the war in which there was a plane full of bullet holes and it was asked to an expert to say how can we strengthen it?
Everyone looked at the holes, where they were and said that we have to put more protection there, the experts rightly say, no, you don't have to look where there are holes but where there are no holes because those are pieces that cannot be repaired. of the airplane. So method and analysis are important, but if you were to say, sorry to go back to the current situation, clearly there is a preparation problem, there is a data analysis problem and a lack of alignment on what the precise measurements. precise parameters and variables to analyze. Given the current situation, what do you think will happen now that this is our current major concern?
We already know we need to be better prepared for the next round of viruses, but now what do you think is the best path forward? Which is the best strategy? -So, let's go back to our star, okay? Let's go back there for a moment, everyone to the star, everyone in the chat to the star. Our virus is us who placed it before this horde of beings to be infected. So, if anyone thinks that this type of infection can be controlled, you should forget about it. that. The only thing we can do is try to manage its spread.
My projection is that this virus could become the new human cold virus. Currently there are 4-5 coronaviruses circulating among humans, which are responsible for causing the cold, these viruses, where do they come from? I don't know, they probably derive from animals, right? Animals harbor many coronaviruses, but if they entered the human population a thousand years ago, how can we know? Therefore, I would like to think, although with complete uncertainty, since we have no data, I like to think that this virus could become the next virus that causes the human cold, and, therefore, a vaccine will not even be necessary.
My concern, however, is that the virus would like to become the new virus that causes human colds, but at its own pace. Instead, we've boosted it to turbo speed. Therefore, I don't know if this is going well from an evolutionary point of view or if it could lead to scenarios that are difficult to control; it is possible that the virus will bring some surprises. That is, it is a virus that first had to infect a small number of people before exploding throughout the world. Why do you say, and I've heard you say this in another talk, say that there may not be a need for a vaccine.
But why? Because at some point this virus will stop spreading or slow down? No, you could catch it and be asymptomatic or it will make you sneeze, sorry, do you get the flu vaccine? No... No, it's okay, you should get vaccinated. Everyone, you should get vaccinated and then I'll explain why you should. So, you don't get the flu vaccine... If the coronavirus were a virus that... well, you don't get the flu vaccine. Okay, would you get a cold shot? No --No, then why get vaccinated against the coronavirus if it manifests itself as a cold? That is, if it becomes the next cold virus, the vaccine will not be necessary.
Why would you get a cold shot if you don't even get a flu shot? First get the flu shot and then we can think about the cold. -- Of course, however, the problem so far is that the harmfulness of this virus, at least from what we can see, is that it does not look like a normal cold or flu. The problem is that it currently has a different strength than it could have after circulating among the human population and becoming a normal cold, or am I wrong? Of course, it has a different force because there are no red lights.
First, there is no herd immunity; Secondly, he has a different strength, but I won't let him miss the tragic mistake he made. You should stop using the two trivial words "simple flu." The flu kills many people every year. If this virus were as dangerous as the flu and overlapped with the flu, the death toll would be many, many more. The influenza virus is a primary pathogen. The influenza virus causes a cytokine storm, that is, the influenza virus is capable, as an orchestra conductor, of sounding all the trumpets, all the instruments of that orchestra that sends signals of destruction to all the tissues of the body. body.
The flu hurts. You feel very sick with the flu because the flu sends "poison" to all your organs. This is why when you have the flu you feel bad for a week and then it takes another ten days to recover. So please, let's start a campaign to raise awareness that the flu is not "just the flu". This is like a flu and let's thank God that it is not like the Spanish flu or the Asian flu or the Honk Kong flu of 1978. In my opinion, when you say in the vernacular that you have a trivial flu, you think, you think a doctor, okay, it's like a cold but with some fever that's more or less the logic.
But I didn't understand your point when you said that you need to get vaccinated against the flu, but it may not be necessary to get vaccinated against this virus because by the time we reach herd immunity we should be fine. I'm confused, because then Boris is right in his logic about herd immunity. Will we achieve it after getting vaccinated or can we achieve it even before? If you resist, if you survive, you will reach it. -- Wait, let's pause for a minute -- Explain. Let's talk about the flu, okay? Why should you get a flu vaccine? because it makes you stay in bed for a week and that is already annoying.
Let's be honest, then if your son gets infected, I mean, there are a whole series of other reasons, but if your grandfather gets infected, he would probably die, along with someone else, that is, , there are clinical presentations of the flu that are just as serious. Okay, so you could be inside a hospital, you could be one of those who haven't been vaccinated and gotten infected with the flu and then went to the hospital, clogging up the healthcare system and taking over essential services that should only be used. for those who arrived with pneumonia, that is, those who arrived with pneumonia that was difficult to control.
While you could have stopped the flu and you didn't stop it when you could. First of all, you introduce a diagnostic doubt. If you had been 594 00:58:31,300 -- 00:58:36,100 vaccinated, there would be no doubt, number one, --ok the field is already limited, okay. Number one. Number two, if you get vaccinated and then get the coronavirus, you won't get the flu, therefore, you avoid a double infection. It is possible that two viruses are worse than one. If you contract the coronavirus, and on top of that a flu infection, I guarantee it, plus you are a man and this virus hits men harder, I guarantee you that next time you will think twice.
So, when the coronavirus situation broke out, I said that the only thing we can do is get vaccinated against the flu, because we reduce the risk, in the meantime there will be fewer people getting sick, in the meantime there will be less confusion in the diagnosis, and in the meantime we prevent them from ending up in the hospital people who could prevent a respiratory clinical picture.--It is clear.--Now the coronavirus vaccine, do you know how many patients in Italy have died just from the coronavirus? No, I have no idea, also because I never understand who dies with the coronavirus or because of the coronavirus.--Okay, now I will explain it to you.
But then I have to go because I'm very tired. It is starting this morning at 6 that I give interviews. Well, so we were saying...--How many patients have died? --How many people have acute viral pneumonia. Well, this is the question, how many people havedied only from coronavirus? Until yesterday, do you know how many there were? -- Two? It's okay. Today I think I read that there are 17. All the other people who died had an average of 3.4 comorbidities, which means they were heart disease, diabetic and obese or immunocompromised. In a health system that is in difficulty, people with fragile health who go to that hospital are at risk due to overload, fear of outbreaks occurring within the hospital, of becoming infected with the coronavirus, but they die because they are very sick people.
So, what I want to say and the big difference between Lombardy and the rest of the world, is that in Lombardy there is a number of deaths attributed to the coronavirus that is completely different from the rest. So there must be something in Lombardy that makes the situation especially serious, because in other regions of Italy this behaves, manifests itself as a flu infection, that is, a flu infection with a 10 percent mortality rate is really high. , you understand? ? like what is happening in lombardy. There are flu infections, like the Spanish flu, that have produced very high mortality, and it took time and so on, but in the rest of Italy it is not like that and, therefore, what is there?
In my opinion, it is necessary to understand it, understand it and it is not easy. Look, I don't really criticize anyone and if I have used some slightly clever terms I do it to calm the situation. But it is a very complicated, very complex situation, where we only need collective responsibility, that is what we need. Korea and China stopped, and Japan, stopped the number of infections because they put in place draconian measures that have been respected and that have not happened in Italy. After this, I'm getting ready to finish. One last question: so at least the 8,600 people connected, which by the way have increased instead of decreased, usually decrease slowly during the transmission, while this time they have increased at the end of the night we will reach 60,000.
No, the last question is, looking towards the end of the year, what do you think will be the situation we will find ourselves in at the end of the year? There will be a situation where we will say to Ilaria, fantastic, remember the last time we talked and now we are fine and everything is in place, blah blah blah, even if we don't have a vaccine yet? What is the situation you imagine at the end of the year? also to make people understand what the future holds for us. I am perfectly aware of the devastating energy that this grain of sand that ended up in the mechanism of the world brings us.
If we talk again in December we will be two completely different people because this black swan will have turned our lives upside down. For example, let's think about divorce, how many people get divorced. the people who were locked inside the house, how many people will be divided; how many family explosions, that is, fights, etc., etc., will occur. In my opinion, this is a moment of great crisis because in many situations that are at turning points, when there are shocks, they are the first to fall. There will be people who will suffer, there will be people who will die, there will be businesses that will close, there will be families that will implode, and that's why, honestly, I'm much more concerned about this, and that's why I want to appeal to all of our 8,000 listeners, look at this It is everyone's problem, we cannot be left alone.
If it's not us, it will be the neighbor. Then what we have to do and where we should be, let's say, where I would like to be in December. I would like to be ready in December with a vaccine if it were necessary and in my opinion, if it were necessary, it would be used only in the risk categories, which makes sense because people like you, that is, if the risk of you If you are sick with coronavirus, the number of infections is lower than that of the flu, do you get vaccinated? No, you don't get a flu shot, so why should you get this one?
Therefore, healthy populations, especially women, because women seem to be less vulnerable, in my opinion, for them there will be no need for the vaccine. If there will be, it will be used in certain categories or maybe we will all use it, I don't know, we will have to see if the virus shows its teeth. I hope not for everyone. In December we will have antivirals, there will be therapy. But in December there will have been a great shake-up of the institutions and moments of great tension at the international level. Africa, India, just a couple of words.
Just two little words. Just like that, when we're about to close? just mention these "little" words. How many Chinese, in your opinion, how many Chinese went from China to Africa in one month? In Africa it is not possible to take a flight filled with up to 1/3 of people from China. Therefore, my call is to be a little more understanding with people who face immense responsibilities. For me it is easy, here I am talking, but I am not the one who rules and decides. The things I say have no direct consequences. So luckily I'm in a great position.
And I try to maintain objectivity and lucidity from the outside because the people inside run the risk of losing pieces of the puzzle. That's why I think that in December, this energy, the energy that this event contains, a great energy that can be completely destructive. Instead, I would like to see it transformed into constructive energy, that is, where there will be some collapses that can be physical collapses of people, can be collapses of companies, can be collapses of institutions, I would like people to understand that. This is the real, the real new big challenge and therefore we already started to think about this new reality, for example, we say, well, we should decrease air traffic by 50 percent.
Okay, so it's a change of era, I would say it's a change of era compared to what we're used to. --Now I ask you to pay in kind. What should I send you? the Brighton apples?-- you publish on your website, I don't know how it works, the link to "beautiful science" --I have seen the video, the one on the importance of science, with Giorgia and Bocelli I have seen it. "Beautiful science" for the people who are listening go search on YouTube, search for "Beautiful science, Giorgia, Bocelli" and the topic is the importance of science and education.
Furthermore, I will make this payment in kind, I will publish it. Do you know why? Because that is an inspiring video about the importance of science, made in the year of Leonardo's five hundredth birthday with the Italian song "I live for her", which is a very powerful music that says "I live for science" because science it does. by people, not by machines, it is done by women who have banged their heads against computer algorithms, bioinformatics, thermostats that break down, machines. We have to defend our scientists, be proud of our scientists, not shoot them and say they are nerds, losers or geeks.
There are those too, but I mean you can find them in other professions too. I would like it to be a pride of Italy, from Italy to our science for our scientists and launched from the perspective of a new world in which it is necessary to include science in the daily debate. Use this, let's say, this Italian trailer as a shoutout. That is to say, we have a science, a research that fights tooth and nail, we have a biomedical compartment that is under great stress and we should be proud of them and of all the other Italian researchers.
We want to generate a million visits in a year. If you give me a hand, you do me a courtesy, it was prepared for schools but now that there are no schools and it was also made for events, and there are no online events- the pandemic ruined my project. Ilaria, thank you very much! we'll keep in touch. Greetings to all the people who have been with us and thank you again!
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