28:19 Give and Take: Does Millions of Years Undermine Scripture’s Authority?Jan 25, 2022
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takei'm jeff swearing can we discuss here the latest scientific topics to help you become more confident in the truth of christianity so you can go out and tell others about jesus today? I'm joined by samples from Ken and Hugh Ross as we're going to address the question of whether belief in
authorityof Scripture. Welcome Kevin Hugh, good to have you here today, hey Jeff. the earth has
millionsor billions of
yearsto make it and to try to be a christian means you are undermining the
scripturewhat are the reasons people
givefor making that claim well it is based on the idea that the only way reading Genesis 1 literally is if there are six consecutive 24-hour periods for creation, which means you have to reduce it to 244 hours, okay?
So part of this is Alysha's interpretation of what's going on in Genesis, is there something else? look at play there well another important element is if you have the universe billions of years old then you have a lot of death and the so-called evil that
takes place before adam sins ok so there's not just like the what about the length of days, but there's also the character of God, it's his character of God, okay, so you know, I think the other thing I also heard in there is that it's like taking the authority of man and putting it on top of God's. authority you're using man's judgment to judge what god is assuming that's the correct interpretation of genesis 1 that's fair so let's dig into that a little bit as we go in and look at those days of creation what are they relevant issues? we have to be able to understand what's going on there well what is the literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and what I noticed the first time I picked up a Bible is that wait here when you're talking about Genesis 1 what are they specifically we're talking about because there's a lot in Genesis 1, okay, we're talking about the account of the six days of creation, okay, and the definition of the word day is okay, so your day one, day two, those dieters are okay, but they notice that even in the english translation the word day must have at least three distinct literal definitions because three are used right there in the text such as the creation of the well day one its contrasting days and nights that is the word day referring to daylight hours daytime, so daylight is also the same as working day one day two, for example, on the day of creation, to contrast the seasons, days, and years, that's the word day referring to to a period of 24 hours, then in Genesis 2:4 he uses that very word day to refer to the entirety of the creation story, which is such a long day but a finite period of time, which is why we are wrestling with this problem of the day and, actually, just looking at Genesis 1, we have a fair number of options of what it could mean, so you know there are those who argue that it's 24 hours. days but if we're going to take Scripture with high authority, they're going to rest at rest in the authority of Scripture, how do we see the length of those days of creation?
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What do we do? How do we interpret those? in what i would say a young earth view and your view as a calendar day view, my observation is that they have multiple days, they have earth rotation days, they have solar days, so your view is not consistent in my mind, but but let's take one day in particular, let's talk about day six when I read what's happening on day six, there's some pretty profound stuff going on, so tell us what some of those things are. Adam is put in the outfield and seems to have more than three races in which he is involved. at work as a garden keeper then he's involved in some sort of zoological process of naming the animals then he has his marriage to Eva these aren't things you could possibly know it marks up to eight hours it's more like three different li Fetimes our three runs well, for example, when Adam sees Eve, what
doeshe say at the end?
So this isn't necessarily a case of takedown if these are long days, but it
doesseem to lend a lot of credence to the idea that these aren't just 24 hour days where there's a lot going on that, at the very least, you'd have to say that there is more than just humans behaving like humans. events that are so significant in life and they cram them into 24 hours that seems like a very difficult way to read and understand the bible, are there others? I mean, I know we were talking about Adam and Eve naming the animals and everything that goes on in there, what other things give the idea that these are longer days of creation, just looking at the
scriptures just, well, which gets me What impressed me when I first picked up a Bible was that there is an evening and a morning in parentheses of each of the days of creation telling us that each day as a definite starting point and definite ending point when you get to the seventh day there is no evening or morning and that is the day that God rests from his work of creation and there are three other biblical texts Psalm 95 John 5 in Hebrews 4 that tell us they were currently on the seventh day of God, it has not finished yet and when I read that at 17 years said this answer is a puzzle of the fossil record, we have all these new species of life that were born before Adam and Eve because that's when God created life after Adam. and Eve stops creating life which explains why we see pretty much little of that today so it's a really remarkable idea that the seventh day which if it's still going on today says it's a much longer period of time than by analogy or inference.
I'd assume the other days didn't have a 24 hour increase as well, so I find it fascinating that I know there's this accusation that we're pushing science into scripture, so to speak, but the only reason to think that anything other than 24 hour days because what the scientific record says, but these are things that you're only identifying in the biblical text itself, you're not even looking at what science has to say, except that we know how long it takes to name an animal or at least say something, you know, I mean there are some implications there, but these are drawn from the biblical text itself, am I right?
Well, the principle is to take both literally and consistently, not just watch. In some verses of Genesis 1 look at the whole context. I think that's powerful. Can you give me a little perspective historically speaking? How does the vision of Old Earth fit together? It is something that happened in the last two hundred years in response. to the scientific enterprise i think it is very clear that for a long period of time let me go back to st. Augustine in the 4th and 5th centuries does not interpret the days of creation as six consecutive 24-hour periods, he lives a thousand years or more before the undertaking of science, so it cannot be argued that science compels him to make a decision. different interpretation.
You know people in the ancient world had different ideas about how long the universe had existed, but the idea that its six consecutive 24 hour periods or that only one young earth view should be accepted I don't think that's true. historically tenable, so let me ask you quickly, we've got a couple of minutes left here, what part of the charge here is that we're taking science and forcing it on the Bible. I think those are longer time frames, but how do you see again in brief what we find in the scientific record in the biblical record? to put the science here, well, God is giving us two books, the book of nature and the book of scriptures by the same God, for them it is impossible to lie or deceive, so if we see a contradiction between the two books, they are the problems with our interpretation.
I'm failing to take both books literally and consistently so I have to study Lee some more, sure again how would you respond there? I like that idea, certainly God is the author of both books, it could be that one of our interpretations is wrong. -base, but I think we have to interpret scripture and see how it fits in the context of the book of nature and therefore we are paying attention to both because scripture tells us to look in the book of nature what God has done in the world. just like we look at all 66 books of the bible, not just one book, you know?
The charge that we're just taking a low view of Scripture, we're taking man's view of Scripture, really when you look at it historically just doesn't hold up. triple, many biblical scholars throughout history have looked at them and said they are a young earth, maybe they are older, it's been a debate that has raged in the Christian Church for many years, not just because of the scientific record , so to take an Old Earth view is not undermining the authority of Scripture, in fact it is important because it says that we are validating what Scripture has to say and taking it very seriously and a great benefit I would say from a The Old Earth perspective is that it gives us a tool to engage in evangelism and get around some of those initial arguments to get to the heart of the matter and talk about who Jesus is, so I think an Old Earth view is very powerful in that sense, so I hope this prepares you and encourages you to go out and share the gospel with those around you.
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